[Ancien coach] Roy Hodgson

[Henry Chinaski]

J'ai toujours apprécié Roy Hodgson, c'est un gars bien et sympathique mais manager de Liverpool c'était un peu trop pour ses épaules, je lui souhaite bonne chance pour le reste de sa carrière et pourquoi pas un retour à Fulham! :drink:

toi t'es vraiment plus sympa avec lui depuis qu'il est parti: c'est plus les Roy Out ect..mais merci bien essayé et bonne continuation.Amusant

[Tunisian Scouser]

Surtout en photo avec son ami écossais.

Attention, tu risques d'avoir des surprises demain : il y aura deux écossais qui se connaissent très bien. :mrgreen:

:drink: Mais il y a une différence nette de classe et d'humilité entre les 2 n'est ce pas? :lfcfan:

[REDDINGUE]

DALGLISH les supporters et le "Kop" le réclame alors pourquoi pas essayer jusqu'à la fin de saison ....On sera peut-être surpris !!

En tous cas moi je plébiscite sa venue , ne serait-ce pour son accueil à Anfield. YNWA YNWA :lfcfan:

Aujourd'hui je suis un "Kopite" heureux, je l'avais souhaité de tous mes voeux le 6, Bienvenue à Kenny et bon vent à Roy.

YNWA YNWA YNWA

[REDDINGUE]

Posté Aujourd'hui, 16:43

REDDINGUE, le 06 janvier 2011 - 18:40 , dit :

DALGLISH les supporters et le "Kop" le réclame alors pourquoi pas essayer jusqu'à la fin de saison ....On sera peut-être surpris !!

En tous cas moi je plébiscite sa venue , ne serait-ce pour son accueil à Anfield. YNWA YNWA

Aujourd'hui je suis un "Kopite" heureux, je l'avais souhaité de tous mes voeux le 6, Bienvenue à Kenny et bon vent à Roy.

YNWA YNWA YNWA

[Tunisian Scouser]

toi t'es vraiment plus sympa avec lui depuis qu'il est parti: c'est plus les Roy Out ect..mais merci bien essayé et bonne continuation.Amusant

Ben il était "the wrong manager at the wrong time" et est venu au pire moment pour être le manager des Reds! Je l'ai soutenu depuis le début et j'étais pour sa réussite et qu'il fasse de son mieux dans de très difficiles circonstances mais il a échoué et les dernières semaines j'ai trouvé qu'il devait s'en aller. Triste et dégouté pour lui car je ne souhaite cela à aucun manager de Liverpool mais il fallait le faire. On se rappelera de lui comme un manager qui a fait de son mieux dans une période très délicate dans l'Histoire du club, sans doute les mois les plus critiques. Je ne lui en veux pas et je n'ai aucune animosité envers lui.

Je ne souhaitais pas son départ lors de ses 3 premiers mois à LFC donc je ne vois pas pourquoi on me collerai une étiquette "Roy Out", au contraire je le soutenais à fond depuis le début et croyais en ses capacités!

Je lui souhaite sincèrement bonne chance, je n'ai rien contre lui mais ce poste était trop grand pour ses épaules.

Lis les différents messages des fans, c'est exactement ce que je pense de lui et de son management :

Thank you and good luck Roy

YNWA Roy

Modifié le 8 janvier 2011 par Feriel

[Brittanyred]

http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=26971&cpage=1

Comments

LFC Fan says:

January 8, 2011 at 1:35 pm

Dear Antoine,

For first time, i am ashamed of Liverpool supporters or at least a group of them. I will tell at the end of this reply why.u

Frsit I have to explain that I was and am a defender of Benitez, once he went, i wanted Dalgish as his sucessor and I was not keen on Hodgson. however I thoguht that Hodgson was our manager and we should support him.

I also agree that Hodgson made many mistakes since he got here. however sacking our manager after just 6 months was in my opinion agaisnt all liverpool ethics. I was angry and upset when Kop nooed him after Wolves.

Now I want to tell you why I felt ashamed of some of liverpoolfans. My son went to takeaway chippy in Aighburth few nights ago and he told me that Hodgson walked in. he told me that some of the youth in there started throwing chips at him and started giving him abuse. Hodgson seemed very upset and walked out the chippy.

we liverpool fans used to pride ourself on how we treated our former palyers and managers and club servants.however now we come to this.

sacking a manager after six months when that manager had hardly any time or money to spend on players is wrong but treating someone who was associated with our great club and he has tried his best for the club this way, is shameful.

:vnr: :vnr: :vnr: :vnr:

Modifié le 8 janvier 2011 par Brittanyred

[Henry Chinaski]

Ben il était "the wrong manager at the wrong time" et est venu au pire moment pour être le manager des Reds! Je l'ai soutenu depuis le début et j'étais pour sa réussite et qu'il fasse de son mieux dans de très difficiles circonstances mais il a échoué et les dernières semaines j'ai trouvé qu'il devait s'en aller. Triste et dégouté pour lui car je ne souhaite cela à aucun manager de Liverpool mais il fallait le faire. On se rappelera de lui comme un manager qui a fait de son mieux dans une période très délicate dans l'Histoire du club, sans doute les mois les plus critiques. Je ne lui en veux pas et je n'ai aucune animosité envers lui.

Je ne souhaité pas son départ lors de ses 3 premiers mois à LFC donc je ne vois pas pourquoi on me collerai une étiquette "Roy Out", au contraire je le soutenais à fond depuis le début et croyais en ses capacités!

Je lui souhaite sincèrement bonne chance, je n'ai rien contre lui mais ce poste était trop grand pour ses épaules.

Lis les différents messages des fans, c'est exactement ce que je pense de lui et de son management :

Thank you and good luck Roy

YNWA Roy

Je sais,je voulais te 'tiquer" pour voir ta réaction,mon ami

[Tunisian Scouser]

Je sais,je voulais te 'tiquer" pour voir ta réaction,mon ami

hehe t'as réussi! :drink:

[El Zhar]

Enfin !! Ouf ! Dommage pour lui mais c'est le foot.

[Gian]

Comments

LFC Fan says:

January 8, 2011 at 1:35 pm

Dear Antoine,

For first time, i am ashamed of Liverpool supporters or at least a group of them. I will tell at the end of this reply why.u

Frsit I have to explain that I was and am a defender of Benitez, once he went, i wanted Dalgish as his sucessor and I was not keen on Hodgson. however I thoguht that Hodgson was our manager and we should support him.

I also agree that Hodgson made many mistakes since he got here. however sacking our manager after just 6 months was in my opinion agaisnt all liverpool ethics. I was angry and upset when Kop nooed him after Wolves.

Now I want to tell you why I felt ashamed of some of liverpoolfans. My son went to takeaway chippy in Aighburth few nights ago and he told me that Hodgson walked in. he told me that some of the youth in there started throwing chips at him and started giving him abuse. Hodgson seemed very upset and walked out the chippy.

we liverpool fans used to pride ourself on how we treated our former palyers and managers and club servants.however now we come to this.

sacking a manager after six months when that manager had hardly any time or money to spend on players is wrong but treating someone who was associated with our great club and he has tried his best for the club this way, is shameful.

C'est la triste réalité du foot malheureusement. Mais ça ne me surprend pas, le supporter a le droit à tout maintenant...

Modifié le 8 janvier 2011 par Gian

[matlehulk]

C'est la triste réalité du foot malheureusement. Mais ça ne me surprend pas, le supporter a le droit à tout maintenant...

Sauf d'aller au stade quand ledit supporter aime le PSG...

Dans beaucoup de clubs, le supporter a le droit de payer et se taire.

[badoulet]

Hello tout le monde,

Premier post sur le forum français mais régulièrement sur celui du site; bref tout ça pour dire que je n'arrete pas de reflechir sur la situation du club et pas seulement depuis cette saison mais depuis une dizaine d'années. j'en arrive toujours à la meme conclusion à savoir que Gerrard et Carra sont les deux plus gros problèmes ce LFC. Alors bien sur sans ces deux stars et surtout SG le club n'aurait jamais rien gagné depuis 2OO1, mais j'ai toujours l'impression que ces deux la sont à la base du manque de cohésion dans le vestiaire et également de la déstabilisation du coach. Pour etre bref je dirai que l'exemple le plus frappant c'est cette impression de ne jamais voir une bande de copain sur le terrain, alors lors des grands matchs l'equipe sait se transcender mais il en faut plus pour gagner un titre, et ce petit plus c'est au capitaine de l'apporter ce dont semble incapable SG. Plusieurs joueurs ont décrit Gerrard ou Carra comme des types qui parlent peu, ya jamais eu de veritable cohesion dans le groupe et j'ai l'impression qu'ils en sont responsable.

désolé pour le style un peu brouillon , j'espere que certains pourront completer ou contredire ma these !

[RedSean]

Je pense que les résultats du club sous Hodgson ne justifient pas les réactions et l'attitude irrespectueuse des fans et notamment des internautes (parce qu'il est toujours plus facile de se défouler derrière un écran sans conséquences) envers le monsieur. Souhaitons lui une bonne continuation, il n'était clairement pas l'homme de la situation mais sûrement pas le seul coupable de nos terribles performances ces derniers temps.

C'est une nouvelle page de notre histoire qui se tourne si Dalglish insufle une nouvelle vitalité dans les vestiaires : can't wait to see this !

[rodofromparis]

Je dis pas le contraire mais 10 ans sans entrainé c'est pas rien Je pense que le foot a évolué en 10 ans et la pression est beaucoup plus importante qu'avant

J'aurais quand meme bien aimé voir Roy battre (?) son ami Fergie demain en coupe ca aurait été une bonne note finale

Certes, mais on jouait comme dans les années 70. Si on joue comme dans les années 90, avec King Kenny on a déjà gagné 20 ans...

[Grey]

Merci et bonne continuation à Roy Hodgson.

Comme on dit : essayé, pas pu. Je n'en garde pas moins le plus grand respect pour M.Hodgson et condamne le comportement de supporters comme ceux cités dans l'article de Brittanyred.

[Grey]

Chauffers, Rafa, Stevie, Carra & a pinch of salt..

J'avais déjà lu la partie sur Torres hier et ça à l'air de pas mal collé(sa blessure puis les déclarations de RH en pré-saison comme quoi avait un problème avec le club) et le fait que les américains aient demandé à ce que Torres joue coûte que coûte ne m'étonnerait même pas... Si tout cela est vrai, je crois qu'on ne peut pas reprocher grand chose à Torres.

Le reste du post est aussi très intéressant: Carra-Gerrard ayant approuvé la nomination de RH, la gestion du cas Aquilani, Benitez et RH,... Si tout ça se révélait vrai, ça pourrait expliquer pas mal de choses.

En tout cas, merci du lien!

[Brittanyred]

Roy Hodgson aura au moins eu le courage de quitter une position stable pour un défi difficile, quasi impossible à la fin de l'été vu les circonstances de la vente. Il a joué, il a perdu, mais au moins il a essayé.

[Tunisian Scouser]

Kenny - "And he says HE was disappointed I applied for the job?!"

RAWK

[M'sieur l'marquis]

Bonne chance pour la suite (je pense que Fulham ne verrait pas d'un mauvais oeil son retour)

En tout cas pas merci!!! Ceux qui ont fait des aways savent...

Tu en as fait beaucoup d'away ?

[Chavierinho]

Tu en as fait beaucoup d'away ?

Pour celui de Naples ou je n'ai pas eu la chance d'être à vos côtés, mon cher Marquis.

Je ne pense pas que vous allez avoir la prétention de dire que vous avez vu du grand Football.

Après si vous me trouvez un bon match l'extérieur sous l'ère Hodgson dominé de bout en bout.

En espérant qu'on puisse en discuter à Prague.

Après pour en revenir à mon cas personnel, à Utrecht je n'ai pas vu grand chose...

[Brittanyred]

Un bon match à l'exterieur, pas récompensé de ses efforts : Tottenham. Une victoire à Bolton aussi, moins flamboyante que le jeu pratiqué à White Hart Lane paradoxalement.

[Melding]

Bonne continuation à lui.

La challenge était trop grand...

[Gian]

Hodgson pay-off won't hurt Reds

Compensation will not affect transfer budget, insists Ayre

Last updated: 11th January 2011

Liverpool have dismissed suggestions that the compensation due to Roy Hodgson in the wake of his sacking could impact upon the club's transfer budget.

The former Fulham manager's departure was confirmed on Saturday morning after just six months of the three-year deal that he signed last summer.

Reports have implied that Hodgson, who has been succeeded by Anfield legend Kenny Dalglish until the end of the season, will be due a year's salary as a lucrative pay-off.

That would also follow the rumoured £4million paid to Rafa Benitez last June, but Liverpool commercial director Ian Ayre insists that the club will not be hit in the pocket.

"We reached an agreement with Roy and certainly that type of payment does not come into the same area of business as our transfer budget," he said.

Exhaustive process

Ayre has also defended the decision to hire Hodgson, although he admits that the club ultimately had no choice but to fire the 63-year-old.

"In the summer we went through a very exhaustive process and it is easy to look in hindsight and say it might have been better or different," said Ayre.

"What we have done in the last few days is bring Kenny back to turn it around.

"Roy's departure was not based on the fans' reaction.

"There is not anyone at this club who does not think Roy is a great coach.

"Sometimes things don't come together and don't gel and I think everyone felt that was the case with the level of defeats (nine in the league) and situation on the pitch drove the decision."

Skysports

Modifié le 11 janvier 2011 par Gian

[robbiefowler80]

bon vent a lui

[rodofromparis]

Roy vs Rafa: Endgame

Following on from his comparisons between last season and this, Andrew Beasley looks at the final 20 league games of Rafa Benítez and Roy Hodgson. A lot was made of the fact that Liverpool weren’t very good in 2010 before the change took place, so this piece examines that belief.

As we all know, Rafael Benitez was sacked as Liverpool manager having finished 7th in the league, which was deemed unacceptable.

The highest position Liverpool managed in the league at any point under Roy Hodgson was 8th, with an average placing of 12.35. He has now also been sacked, after 20 league games.

After writing articles earlier in the season comparing Roy’s early efforts against Rafa’s in 2009 (the same fixtures) and 2004 (so both were judged as the new manager), I thought it would be interesting to compare some statistics from their final 20 league games. Obviously in Roy’s case, these were his first (and only) 20 too.

Inevitably in a comparison of this nature, there are differences between the circumstances that the two managers faced which could be used to defend or attack them. For example, Benitez had bought all of the players (aside from the home grown lads) in his squad himself, whereas Hodgson had not.

On the other hand, the ownership issue was resolved during Roy’s tenure, so he should have had a ‘bounce’ from both that and his ‘fresh start’ status as the new manager; Rafa’s position was rapidly becoming untenable due to multiple issues within the club and his management influence had probably grown inevitably stale after nearly six seasons in charge.

Needless to say the fixtures weren’t identical, but both managers played ten home and ten away games, and some of the traditionally big fixtures (Manchester United away and Chelsea at home, as well as matches with Arsenal and Everton).

Understandably, there has been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere about the change in tactics between Rafa’s favoured 4-2-3-1 and Roy’s 4-4-2. More specifically, the shift in emphasis between pressing high up the pitch and defending deeper. But do the possession stats illustrate this at all?

Whichever way you look at it, Benitez’s team had more of the ball than Hodgson’s, and the difference in the two manager’s tactical approaches must surely be the primary reason for this.

In the twenty matches I looked at, Rafa’s Liverpool only had less of the possession in two games. As you’d probably guess, these were the games against Manchester United and Chelsea (a strange game with nothing really left to play for).

By comparison Roy’s team had less of the ball in nine of his twenty matches, and as you might assume, seven of these games were away from home. Ceding possession whilst down to ten men and leading for half a match against Arsenal might be viewed as acceptable, but to have significantly less of the ball against teams such as Wigan (42%-58%), and Stoke (a mind-boggling 36%-64%) is surely not.

Of course, possession alone does not win games. After all, Liverpool had more of the ball in the Merseyside derby this season, yet it made little difference as they lost tamely by two goals to nil. That said, by having more of the ball, it seems safe to assume that you’d be more likely to score and less likely to concede:

I must admit I was slightly surprised to see that the number of goals scored was fairly similar for the two managers, though clearly Rafa’s team was streets ahead defensively. Obviously these numbers have an impact on the figures regarding scoring and conceding first:

Whilst little of any major interest can be gleaned from these figures, it’s worth taking a closer look at the goals for and against by the same criteria (e.g. matches where they scored or conceded first):

Benitez’s team scored (on average) just over two goals a game when they scored first, which goes a long way to explaining why they won on ten of the thirteen occasions that this happened. Hodgson’s side conceded an average of over two goals whenever they conceded first, and this clearly contributed to the eight defeats from nine matches (the recent Bolton game stopped a complete whitewash of nine defeats on this front). A clear shift in defensive and offensive success had occurred, and if nothing else, this proves just how vital the first goal in the majority of matches is.

In view of this, who defended their leads the best, or clawed back any points from being behind?

Whilst Roy did recover four points from losing positions to Rafa’s zero, he did have eleven occasions (the nine where we conceded first, plus Sunderland at home and Tottenham away) to attempt and save the game to Rafa’s three, so it isn’t too much to be proud of. For the record, Rafa’s team led in thirteen matches to Roy’s eleven.

It wouldn’t be an article of mine without taking a look at the substitution info:

There isn’t necessarily a better or worse time to make a substitution, but the real issue here is one of media consistency. Rafa made more changes and made them earlier on average, yet you never hear accusations of Roy ‘managing by numbers’ or suchlike. I had to smile when I saw that Rafa’s average time for his first tactical substitution across these twenty games was sixty-five minutes, the exact time that Andy Gray et al accuse him of working to. So please don’t tell anyone at Sky what I’ve found!

As I have mentioned previously in match threads on this site, if anything, Roy seems to be guiltier of being limited with the scope of his substitutions. For four games in a row this season (from Blackpool to Bolton) the first substitute brought on was David N’Gog every time, and for three games more recently (West Ham, Spurs and Aston Villa) the first sub was Fabio Aurelio on 73, 74 and 76 minutes respectively. These may be coincidences, but these little statistics suggest to me that Roy had little in the way of a Plan B, which is what many of us suspected all along.

The basic match facts illustrate the two men’s differences as simply as anything can, and are, after all, the ultimate barometers of football success:

Extrapolated over a whole season, Roy would have earned 47.5 points and Rafa 68.4. If you use last season’s final table as a guide, Hodgson’s team would have finished 11th (so slightly ahead of his average placing so far this season) and Benitez’s side would have been 5th. The real point of interest here is that Fulham finished last season with 46 points and only one away win – sound familiar?

I have a multitude of other statistics I could throw at you, but they all basically illustrate the same point: even during arguably his worst period at the club, Rafa was a more effective manager at Liverpool than Roy, and I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you that. At the end of the season, I intend to do a similar comparison between Roy and Kenny’s halves of the campaign.

Source: TTT